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INTERVIEW BY NATHAN LEWIS

YVONNE M. IGNACIO
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Taken by James Kozak at Campanille Fall 2001

From http://www.nathanlewis.com/
 July 2002

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The artist of the Month feature is back, and stronger than ever! This month I have the honor of featuring an author who's work is ahead of it's time, while also representing the classic style  prose of the old masters. When I first read her work I whispered to myself, this is literature, not that pop fiction sh*t. I knew Yvonne Ignacio would be well received on nathanlewis.com, so I invited her to share her talents with us in this space. She graciously accepted.

Her work is titled The Picture: A Work of Theory and Fiction, and it is deep and moving. I encourage you to click in and read the excerpts I have posted on the Artist of The Month pages. For those of you who have ever wondered how authors put such beautiful words together, Yvonne has answered, in detail, all questions about her writing process and motivations in my exclusive interview with her.

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This interview also appears in the Supplement section of the book as in a DVD with the directors comments.
-Yvonne

Greetings and welcome to the Artist of the Month feature. Over the past four years  I've been committed to finding the fresh new talent in literature and art. This month I have the pleasure of feature an author whose work is among some of best literature I have read. I have invited Yvonne Ignacio to share her work with us here at nathanlewis.com, and she has graciously accepted.

It is a particular personal pleasure for me to feature Yvonne because she represents what most authors, most mainstream authors, don't know how to do: write literature. Most of our best-selling authors today specialize in fiction; that mass market, mass produced 4 x 6 book, that ultimately looks and reads like every other book in the market place. Not only is Yvonne a inspiration to me but I believe, her works and this interview will be an inspiration to you. She is the author's author.

Nathan: Greetings and welcome to The Artist Of The Month Feature at nathanlewis.com. It is an honor to present your work in this place.

Yvonne:

Nate, it is my pleasure to be a guest on your lustrous screen and sit in the orb of such aglint writers.

Nathan: Your writing style is very fresh and flowing. Your sentences have their own definite literary style while also staying true to your thoughts, or your characters thoughts. How did you come to find or create your style of writing?


Yvonne:

When I place my hands upon the keyboard, I feel the movement of music. Like song, whose reserves are mostly of love, my words are offered up in ceremony and dance. I know the nature of the wind, the ice that slides off the windowpane, these things observed become the glissades of my thoughts.
May I become indulgent, and quote myself here?

Nathan:

Please do!

Yvonne:

"I did not let him. So he retreated into his room beneath the pungent monkey pod tree, which dropped its engorged seeds heavily upon the dewy lawn. And I slept in mine, as the plumeria tree with its milky blossoms, secreted its scent onto the margins of my dreams."

What, I write, must fit around the body, and set into the eye, an illuminated strike. I cannot escape the asymmetry of my four-chambered heart or the long canal down my back that expands and collapses with each breath. These are the measures that I hold true as I search the map of my mind:

"He then lifted my clinging shirt with the velvet blossoms and blessed my tummy with more kisses. He kissed me with ancient wisdom and natural piety, circling my flowering belly as the pilgrims do the standing stones. To my belly button he bestowed the deepest one, as into a well where holiness dwelt."

 





Nathan: In Iron Wall Of Autoeroticism your female character, who is nameless in the piece, goes through finding and loosing of a lover. However, it appears that both, she and Johannes (her lover), were holding back parts of themselves in their own efforts to remain whole and true to their own individual selves. Johannes, it appears from my opinion, wanted the free part of himself that traveled the world, landing in life's uncommon places, not wanting the actually commitment or routine of love. She appeared to hold back in an effort to keep the part of her that wanted to fall into passionate love with him in control. From your perspective as the author, did any character end up in a better place due to their with holding of their selves?

Yvonne:

The Iron Wall of Autoeroticism was one of the first pieces I wrote for my novel THE PICTURE: A WORK OF THEORY AND FICTION, and all the quotes here are from that work.  I just gave it a title so my excerpts for this interview could be identified easily. It appears a quarter into the book, so the conflicts you question are not resolved within that segment. The female character, Ava, is not named thus far, because Johannes uses her name so very sparinglyit would seem to cost him the weight of saffron. In actuality, the conflicts in the entire book are settled outside the framework of the narrative, into a brackish future. This piece cycles naturally as cloud do formfrom evaporation, to absorption, to condensation, to the precipitation of snow and rain:
 
"I could not imagine him with anything changed. I put him with my other contracted dreams. I folded and laid aside his words and deeds in that part of me that was sore from growth. I reverted to my native state, an animal with animal understanding. I only remember those visually hungry eyes with the cold particles from the Northern European skies. The beat of his body. Those terrible gestures of self-love. Nothing more. No myth. No ballad.
 Nevertheless when I bit my lower lip, his kiss resurfaced, floating on the moment, a blue sky stopped."

   I like this piece because the viscera is charred and smoking. Ava's anger, confusion and hurt are like the magma from the compressed mantle, but are articulated in a fundamentally female way: she turns the affront of Johannes's absence onto herself. And, though he did not take her, he showed himself to her, but that was enough for her to be tortured and immured, a wretch and dissembled inheritor:

"I was living in an ancient age. I expressed myself to him by waiting. Waiting. I had the docility of a woman chemically bound. The origins of my behavior were a molecular event in my cells that translated into thoughts and feelings. The debate was taken out of metaphysical conjecture and into academic boundaries. I could only focus on time, love and remembrance."

I constructed this book so that each segment could be read intact like a psalm or verse or chanson; like our mitochondria who live autonomous lives, oblivious to us. But I was also restrained by custom to course a narrative prey. I wanted to emit a literary archipelago.
In the Thai Temple Reflection, Ava's teleological argument for love, like God, infers the reality of a cosmic purposive force. She also believes true love can only be expressed by the immaterial and the infinite. So throughout the book, and especially in this section, she uses the terms of holy writ, implies the rationalist gods of Decartes, Spinoza, and Leibniz, abases herself before all the gods of the upper and lower atmosphere for whom we strike the gong or smoke peyote.  Johannes is but an aspect that must mean but an appearance of the Absolute. (To paraphrase F.H. Bradley)
The other reason I include this portion was because it has the toll and tinkle of poetry. Something to satisfy your readers of that concentrated persuasion. The mysticism of the East provides Ava with sight beyond this world's illusion, which become an exhausting spiritual struggle:
 
"I was of this earth, but I longed to be free of it, to be the earth, to be the source of my own longing. I was a mammoth hunter following the herds over shallow seas, having tasted such rich meat, never satisfied again with the muscle of any other; watching the land bridges drown in glacier melt, eliminating the only path home, which could never be mine again, without the taste of that meat."

And you are right. Their love is so magnetic, the attraction of opposites pulls them to each other, and then through each other, until they emerge on contrary sides. As voracious black holes are evident in every active galaxy, such is the co-existence of destruction and construction, even in the constancy of affection.

 

Nathan: Are both characters in the Iron Wall Of Autoeroticism completely fiction?


Yvonne:
Nate, for the well being of my parents, I will admit no party to witnessing men so excited by my structure that they have masturbated before me. And since sensuality pours through this book like a thick cordial, they have been warned that its heady nature could distress them, and to keep clear. I think (thoughtful daughter that I am), I will add that admonition to this interview.
This is a book of my altered saga. All that I know of love has been sifted through my heart and devolves through my prose. Like the ruins of Paluzzi for the Neapolitans, I am the remnant of this storied past, because I wrote it: I lived it. I am not a fortress, vacant and silent. I am in residence within all my characters. You hear my footsteps break upon the stillness, even when I am echoing a bit of conversation once overheard and now re-shaped into partial dialogue.
  By writing THE PICTURE: A WORK OF THEORY AND FICTION, I had become prescient. Though I had not gone to Hawaii or The Philippines in years, while I wrote the book, my mother was in the Philippines, and when she returned she told me about her experiences in a typhoon. What she described I had already recorded. What I had imaged had become a true impression:

 "On the tenth, the storm built, and grew to full might. Like a briny beast, the sea came to the edge where we dare build our dwelling, clawing away at the cement pilings, until the shadows of the waves were on living room walls, with dolphins doing spins in the light of the candles; and it was possible to see the South China Sea tangling in the placemats and vases, and the fish entering early to the be seated at the table."

Ava also lives in mountainous Santa Clarita, but descends to attend the clubs and concerts along Los Angeles's lapping coast and level boulevards. So this book is auto-geographic. How I feel about my environment, she shares the same. Even the steep regions, which she thought only God could contour, which become fatally cropped, are, of course, my woeful concerns:

"I could not face the hills of my home, scraped down to the dust, seated by crows and ants. I cried when the bunnies fed on my lawn, and wished I had more to offer. In the morning the birds revoked their ancestral song. The nights were awful. I gentled the coyotes as they screeched in their emptiness, and prayed for the nocturnal cats whose safety was gone."

But the pivotal word in your question is "both." If this story were true, I would blush for the sins I had confessed. But I will not be bound to a pillar and made to answer this question frankly. However, I will admit this: I have written other pieces from friends' point of view, and they have been astonished that I have caught their inward reflection so precisely, as to be their double selves. That I have used them to draw forth traits, they will forgive, I hope, for the pleasure of my portraiture. 



Nathan: One of the first things that struck me with your writing was the knowledge base and the vocabulary that you have in explaining situations and feelings. I thought to myself, Yvonne must spend a lot of time crafting her stories. What is your process for writing a story? How long does it take to write a story such as the Iron Wall Of Autoeroticism?


Yvonne:
I write mostly a la belle etoile (under starlight) and so the light reflectance has remote astral markings, therefore time is of a different ticking. Also when I write, I have the collective worth of all my other beings, so there seems to be a phalanx of me at work. Nevertheless, The Wall was something I composed and honed within a week, and the whole book, each 379 pages of gold leaf, took one year of literary cloister.
For physical process of writing, I need complete isolation, except for the dogs at my feet, and a few hours beforehand to play in my house and read the paper. I do my all my writing while the computer hums beside me with only a few broad notes as guides.
Mentally, I float on an aqueous bed of objectivism to far-off vaporous civilizations in space. What I experience is like looking through a powerful telescope at those terrestrial transformations, but I squint rather than stare, and see only out of the corners of my eyes; those are the extravagant gifts that plunge from the sky.  
As for my knowledge base, I turned my interest in Yugoslavian enmity into a passionate abstraction.  I wanted to describe fearsome and heartburning sex, like panthers shredding the mossy floor and hanging lianas of their mating grounds; the adversarial nuance of bodies engaged in incursion and saturation.
Johannes is from Germany, and that in its self makes for a difficult love interest. Ava supplements and disassociates her love for Johannes, by taking a Yugoslavian lover, Dragan. The antagonism between these two countries represents the tourney of their wills, as her body becomes a fight over occupied territory.
In this section, Ava converts herself into the land of the Southern Slavs. I employ the linguistic characteristics of the many Slavic languages in that region to describe Dragan's oral copulation on her, as well as the history and geography of that besieged land, which are also the means projected throughout this extensive piece to describe a recalcitrant seduction:

"With the first touch of Dragan's tongue, I yelped and buckled towards the ceiling. Liking this position, he raised my hips with his arms, and made a tabletop of my body, holding me so high, he had to be upright on his knees. I had never thought someone so concerned about decorum and correct behavior would be slurping away at my inner labia and hidden clitoris like a Roman procurator at a bacchanalia. I would not have guessed the blithesome rites of anthropophagy were the custom of the region near the Voivodina.
Afterwards, he surveyed me like a tourist from icy circumstances, seeing hot springs, various sporting facilities, clear skies during the summer along the beach.
Once more he took me to dine, but this time he gourmandized, and conversed with me in an intimate tongue, a language of flexible verbs, and a vocabulary that was largely original. Against my thighs he sang folk songs; and along the plumpness of my rump, he carried on his work, not in prose, but verse with regular rhythms. I heard a long series of metamorphose as he spooned into my basin, a dialect merged with the Celts, trespassed by the Ostrogoths, held by long German rule, and influenced by Roman and Venetian Italy."
  
To further answer your question about the types of words I use to describe feelings, in this example, the words I chose to express a tacit ravishment are the principles and customs of war.  Dragan infiltrates Ava's with the ambition of a Balkan conqueror, maneuvering sorties and raids against her body and heart. She is admittedly a "shiva, Sklavin, slave, enslaved" and a loyalist, braving against his canon. But both of them are conspirators. 

"I upsurged on my toes to give him deeper access, and curved my back so my breast spilt backwards. The atmosphere was heavy with funk and crime. My hands rented the bed, sabotaging the sheets.  He was the uptake of insemination by tanks and missile launch, punching through to new boroughs, and heisting in the stir plenty of candied boodle."

The imprint of ballet is fencing. The motions of Javanese dance drama are martial arts derived. The bellicosity of hard sex provides the same kind of pantomime.   



Nathan: Now let me ask the same questions about your sentences. They are wonderful. They contain buzz words for your story, something that many authors forget to include. What is your process for creating a sentence?


Yvonne:
Throughout THE PICTURE: A WORK OF THEORY AND FICTION there are four principle undersongs, or buzzwords, as you will: photography, quantum physics, worship and war. They are the fundamental forces of my lyric invention. I am very strict upon this code. In particular, the section I submitted to you entitled: The Portrait examines the relationship between photography and the illusion of love. Tintypes, paintings, movies, computer graphics, calendar posters and all sorts of manufactured images are used to reinforce Ava's sensory findings.  This equips the story well, since Johannes is a commercial cinematographer.
There are two division included here. In the first is a holographic narrative about their night together. Proprietarily, they view his professional work, which among other things, she sees for its miraculous qualities:

"He posted a hundred little marvels that were like jazz to the retina."

And later, because she realizes the temporality of his corporeal form, she uses the camera to preserve him:

"I conceived of the shot before I closed the shutter. He let me take his picture, as he had let me discover his dimensional body. Slowly, he opened his lips and thighs to me, and made himself vulnerable to my instrument."

They become intimate, without penetration, and afterwards it is not his body beside her that distract her from sleep, but his pictures:

" But I could not rest. Behind my eyes I saw his studio apartment in all its complex vignettes, and his commercials, those blurred images of remote illusions."

In the second section, the last she sees of him, is the chemical resolution of his face on paper, and the recognition of what this snapshot exposes:

"His large hands are the ones Michelangelo carved into decisive David, resting on his flat tummy, in contact with his appetites; and next to his masculine jaw as he indulges his voyeur."

 And, it concludes, like dead flowers crumbling to dust, with her speculative philosophy about what photography and Johannes's picture mean to her:

"Pictures are ideal worlds better visited than the ones we occupy. There are no threats of separation. No prayers in the dark for the one you want, who will not come.
 But pictures fade. Leaving only the intangibles.
This picture was the last consequence of my amorous piracy.
He never asked to take mine.
It was a significant detail perceived slowly."

And how do a write a sentence? I feel the power of an old yearning to create something novel. The aesthetic order I generate is always a search for distant heavens.




Nathan: I have been reading your complete manuscript, THE PICTURE: A WORK OF THEORY AND FICTION, and one of the first things I noticed is that you seemed to address many different relationship emotions in the text. These issues are often found in gleaming bits of emotional sarcasm and angst in your main female character. This is something that is missing from a lot of mainstream fiction. In addition to this, how his your manuscript different than the other works currently published?



Yvonne:

I don't sit comfortably with the word sarcasm, but I suppose with Ava's inclination towards scientific synthesis, she makes a natural existentialist, and like Simone de Beauvior, in her epistolary labor, never getting her man, there is a bit of pessimism and nihilism in this tract:
 
"Each drop was from him: the storm and season of the end of my life. My fear was that I would see him againbut only on the other side of death.
He could not be broken even from across the world. And still I was alone without his engagement. Never getting the love that I wanted most.
I was miserable in my quagmire. Listening to my feelings did no good. So I listened to my expanded consciousness, and acted in consonance with my utmost good. In conclusion, I decided Johannes was no consort for me. Having made that evaluation, I began to strenuously divert my thoughts and actions from him.
But it was not easy. My heart held fast for it knew no other way to be. 
I learned that love could not be dispelled. But I had the vague hope it could be usurped, and replaced by another. The distance in my heart had expanded, and it would accept no other, unless that new love was in mass and range as I had with Johannes. But I was no angel with an infinite capacity to love. I only had strength to love that way again, for a cause, a child, or God. "


I also think, I expression emotion with faithful outrage, melancholy abandon, desperate veneration, fluid illumination, because I crumble before passion, I recognize my truest self built on sacrifice and reunification; I present a wreath of jasmines, pillows covered with kisses, a restoration of a true wilderness.  


"Oh, to see his jaws open and his lips raised passed the gums. I wanted him to gnaw at me with the concentration of an animal tearing sinew from a still warm bone. I wanted him to hold me possessively, as if assailed by hyenas and circling carrion, to swipe away any interference with a puissant paw; and rather than accept detachment of himself from me, accept only his death as the final struggle."


In this book, I have several experimental formats. The linearity of writing prohibits layering thought and images, unlike what can be done with collage or symphonic sound. And unless, this was a workbook, with answers in the end to skip back and forth to, time cannot be conveyed in parallel.
So to create the look of Ava remembering a memory of Johannes as she is skimming across severe surf, I splice the two occasions together. The result is initial disorientation; until you realize that there is no divide between her consciousnesses:

"Then, Thaddius pushed me astonishingly hard, my projectile's path against the grain. I took off on a flight of speed, towards the relentless turbulence of incoming waves.
Johannes said he would call the beginning of the next week. It was only Wednesday. I tried to curb my excitement, which was equal to my panic.
The water beneath me was slipping away, pulling towards the open ocean and building to a great height. It drew me up its vast face.
As I waited for his call, pressure began to build up in me; creating fear and dread.
My stomach dropped. I knew this wave would be too big and fast for me. I was too amateur to ride its slanting sides.
When Thursday came, I knew I had been deceived again.
The sun had now been covered by this aqueous behemoth. No midnight sky could be as dark."

I also try to show that each object and person in the scene has a weighty existence, filled with signs; concrete spirit and matter; that a person represents not just himself but all experiences from a mysterious, incalculable foundation. This psychic life makes my dramatization a continuation of karma, nourished by humanism, the work of transitional history. 

" 'I would not wait to love you then,' he further conjectured. 'But, I prefer loving you now.' His smile reflected supremely the sea routes that belonged to the Ottoman Empire.
The dessert tray arrived. Each panettone, torta, tortellini, meringhe, mondorle, cannoli, bundino, crema and zambaione cast back the penetration of Saracens, the return of the Crusaders, Roman excess, the deeply rooted superstitions that were shallowly dug beneath the consciousness.
'Take whichever you like, or more,' he suggested. 'You can take all of them home.'
Paolo knew my weakness for complicated pastry; how before cakes drenched with subtle liqueurs, I quivered as if the hollows of my knees had been blown upon; that I would eat the composta di castagne all crema until I died from a surfeit of it.     
 As I bit into the cloying desserts, I was initiated into a secret sacrificial society; took part without realizing into a rite of the dedicated, that was perhaps prehistoric from fete days that were forgotten."
 
I would like to smash all dictates about novels, shatter all the accepted idioms, in exchange for unlimited amorphousness and obscure attractions, to expunge old worlds, nostalgic, as I am to restore the unity of primeval chaos. I know I appeal only to those with Cyclopean souls, hardy enough to withstand a state of crisis or an intrepid idea. Still and all, after the initiative trials, this is still, a pursuit of the flesh, the perfect form, the survival of the intellect, a trek back to Ithaca, towards the center. 
 

Nathan: Can you trace your writing to a specific time or event? How old were you when you started writing?


Yvonne:

       My first fascination was not with writing but with reading. I distinctly remember seeing Sally, of the Dick and Jane series, playing in the rain with an umbrella and her dog, Spot. And although, there were not words beneath, I drew through inference, and from then on, the symbols of writing became clear.
         As a child, I was madly in love with Paul McCartney, and The Beatles by extension. I cut apart the Hard Day's Night album, and made game pieces of it. Then, I stacked my Golden Reader Books in a shoe box, cut a rectangular aperture through one of the longest sides, and slipped in a piece of paper that showed through the slot. That was the typewriter on which I wrote The Beatles News. I had no real data to impart, but I daydreamed often about my love affair with Paul. I remember thinking that it was too bad sexuality was institutionalized; otherwise there would have been no kapu against me being his bride at seven. 
In this way, my writing has been as circular as flamenco in Granada. In the beginning and during the lovesome toil of THE PICTURE: A WORK OF THEORY AND FICTION, I sometimes came across a Philips big screen television commercial with Rudolf Martin, an evocative actor I had not seen for six or more years. Yet, from those silvered moments, I devised a story around his brow and body. He was an inspiration, a rest upon beautiful shores, as Artemesia must have lain upon when painting full lips onto the creatures of her tormented canvas. When my book was done, coincidentally, a television movie of Martin's was released. His character's name had the same meaning as my character: Dragon. Shortly, thereafter, with an enveloping moon, my shadow laid across his now vanished one in the Romanian town of Sisighora. This does not depart from the customary rules of my reality, i.e., what I dream, becomes.
            
            

Nathan: What do you currently see in Literature that you don't like? How would the publishing of your manuscript help change those things for literature overall?

Yvonne:

I think many of the other arts have surpassed writing, the visual arts of photography and cinematography especially, with technology being the handmaiden who cohorts. Our word usage has become effete because we rely more and more on the primitive response of seeing to communicate. The saturation of images has taken precedence; it is as we have reverted to Neolithic stratagems.
  Of current books, I like their painted covers the best. I saw a friend's reading list for her high school daughter recently; none of the books recommended were written after the mid 20th century. I think that, too, many take to heart the Shrunk book on the elements of proper composition. I also hear the voice of television in the storytelling, transcripts of cable and sitcoms.
Nate, perhaps my work can be used as regressive compass. Not like reefs that are found atop the Continental Divide, a relic. But studied as an incorporation of earlier classical forms, like what Impressionist created after viewing Japanese screens. 
When other writers refer to my writing, they use the word LITERATURE in emphatic capital letters. I hope that they mean there is permanence to my work. I would love for it to take its place in this world. This book is loaded, fragrant, undulating with the shape of new hills, swaying out to the darkness of deep dreams.
And although, you Nate, have been exceedingly generous with you compliments and your influence, I must admit, writing has not been encouraged in my life. For the effort, it pays too poorly and is a trade that most people place layman claim. My parents have hazarded me against it, and for fear of rebuke, I have hidden it from philistine boyfriends who find my aesthetic bent burdensome.  It is not a compulsion; it is a vacation that I wearily retreat when Edenic situation occursand enclosure of love and security. 
           But it is the only thing that has granted me life. I am this gaunt tiger that fights to write. There is no lineage of writing in my family. My ventures to be published have been alleys of anguish. But my skill has been building; I feel my dexterity and sublimity filling me like an oaten substance. The impression on my senses is so consuming that it seems that if I don't write, death will reign in my chamber.  Such is my vanity. Such is my summons.
People tell me that they love to read what I have written aloud, and will often recite my words back to me. When breath is given to my work, I am no longer a singular effort. I become a chorus, a chant in the body of others. I become increased. But I am, really, only an astrolabe pointing out ancient stars and moons that have always been there.  



Nathan: Who are the writers that inspire you?


Yvonne:


When I was little, I used to draw blueprints of my dream house. Always there was a library, a chapel of ephemera where I would devote myself to storing the good works of others. Even now, when you come into my house, the room that faces the entrance, where most would put the glowing hearth of a television, I have stacked books and books against those tall walls. In my life, I have left behind machinery and men, but never books; even magazines and pamphlets, in their bulky, meditative silence, have joined me where others would have transported a bike or a bed.
My baby books are still my favorites. The clear, purling rivets of fairy tales and fables are my habitual purlieu. These are collective voices and primeval memories of no true authorship, but I prefer those detailed before 1930. In my mind, before I start a story, it soothingly begins: "Once upon a time" In fact, as I wrote The Picture, I had written with lute in hand, imagining Johannes and Ava as sensuous immortals:

 "I am thinking of howling winds across the arctic waste, the depth of moon craters: those places of loneliness and purgatory. I am thinking of him. I am where all women go to ride out the interminable storm of abandoned love. He is as dark as the ocean floor, as tangled as the virgin jungle.  I look out from my rooftop, my lap covered with handiwork, into a vastness, spaces undefined, and see him. Only him."

 Whenever I read the hard sciences, Geography, Physics or Math and Geometry, I become a feathered nation; my imagination storms the air like a savage inhabitant. I want to fetch the truth. What astounds me is that I can project phenomena in space by given the smallest details. I think inductively, and have a Taoist intuition about life beyond us. From that, I formulate downward and use theorems to prove my themes in my writing. But there is a hollow in my brain where those skills should reside, and so I am giddily enamor by those who document scientific discoveries.
In THE PICTURE: A WORK OF THEORY AND FICTION, science is one of the columnar metaphors. I use it to ground the evaporative nature of passion. The qualities and endowments of love have to be calibrated. But logic and analysis heighten the dangers and crosses of Ava's disquiet:

"I realized the neutralizing effect my gross advantages and awkward shortages had against each other. These tipping apogees were their own kind of homeostasis. The more I attracted men, the more I would suffer for it. The cosmic process had a keen stabilizing system to keep me in line. It was a balance of extremes. As I was craved for, I would in turn undergo my own cravings, only multiplied by the number who had suffered for me."

 Even the endoskeleton of this book is based on the triptych of the Hegelian Dialectic: Thesis, Antithesis and Synthesis. I don't have chapters in the familiar sense. In Antithesis, the true presence of Johannes disappears, but like a net thrown into spectral seas, he encloses all.
My favorite novels are usually French written. Maragarite Duras's The Lover, Violette LeDuc's Le Bastard, Collette's Gigi, and Jean Rhy's The Wide Sargasso Sea, Mircea Elide's Bengal Nights, and Andrei Makine's Once Upon the River Love are my literary progenitors. I also relate close in kin to Michael Ondaaje's English Patient and Running in the Family, and Lawrence Durrell's Justine. Those authors have stirred and loosened the vineyards of my mind.  In all these cases, the bark of storytelling is the least interesting part of the voyage. I take refuge in the way the words plough beautifully through the liquid plain. 



Nathan: When can we expect to see your manuscript in print?


Yvonne:
Soon. Its place has already been set at Booklocker. Those interested can email me at yvonneignacio@yahoo.com. I think I may even churn out handcrafted Xeroxed copies for those too impatient for my petty concerns to clear before I can set this baby to bed.
Otherwise, I would like to send this prayer out to the universe. I saw a movie with a character modeled after Anais Nin, who was paid by a patron to write about her erotic experiences. I would like to duplicate that circumstance in modified form. To write a book is to walk along a warm country road. I cannot forget the heat, the sun. I cannot resist the enchantment of that fable. 
And thank-you Nate, with this hand, with this wave, I wish you a life full of richness and joy. May your days be like the opening of summer. May your work be like the rocks that always stay. May your heart never tire of happiness and love.

Postscript:

My book will instead be published by Book Surge in June 2003. For your copy please order at www.booksurge.com or order through www.bn.com, www.amazon.com , www.half.com , and through your local bookstore and library.

Thank-you very much.

-Yvonne

Signal Article by Anne Marie Mills Oct. 14, 2003
 



Love, Lust and Loss in the Santa Clarita Valley
An eco-journey into erotic fiction.

10/14/2003
Anne Marie Mills [Signal Staff Writer]


Canyon Country freelance writer, Yvonne Ignacio, has chosen Santa Clarita as the setting for her new book, The Picture: A Work of Theory and Fiction.
     Ignacio describes her book as a story about the illusion of love, passion burnt on flesh; an odyssey of desire. Within there is an undersong of photography, quantum physics, worship and war.
    The novel highlights two love stories; one between man and woman, and one between people and nature. The main character, Ava, imagines her true soul being out of her body, projected onto and camouflaged by the wilderness that adjoins the Angeles Forest. When the road comes through and the mountain is cut and suppressed by houses, Ava loses her soul and dies spiritually, Ignacio said.
    Ignacio uses the journey of Avas soul as a metaphor for the rapid development of the Santa Clarita Valley and the irreversible environmental destruction that accompanies it.
    The novel contains some sexually explicit passages yet Ignacio does not feel that her work should be shoved into the category of erotica. Would anyone label Lady Chatterlys Lover as erotica? No, because a man (D.H. Lawrence) wrote it, therefore it is simply literature, Ignacio pointed out.
    Ignacio moved to Santa Clarita with her dog in tow during the mid-1980s after buying a home in Canyon Country, a name she says she loves because it suggests the incorruptibility of mountains. The daughter of a Naval officer, Ignacio spent several years in Japan as a child. I learned the local legends by heart, played the games, visited the shrines, and celebrated all the holidays as a Japanese girl would, Ignacio said. Ignacio has traveled extensively around the world and said she would love to live abroad again but only if she could take her dogs with her.
    As a freelance writer, Ignacio has also written and designed web pages, and ghostwritten business proposals for executives. Ignacio attended Blackstock Junior High in Oxnard where she wrote serial dramas for the school newspaper, relying on her crush on David Cassidy for inspiration. Her first paying writing job was with the city paper in Oxnard, the Press Courier.
    I write as a defense against time and death. Books are stone...though made of paper, they endure not like the wood of trees that are expressed in periodic regeneration, but forever, because the ideas expressed are from a learned tradition, she said.
    Ignacios love for the Santa Clarita Valley she once knew endures. However, as an activist for her Benz Road neighborhood, the trampling of Santa Claritas rural beauty has had a profound effect on her. Benz Road, an offshoot of Bouquet Canyon Road had been a dead end street bordering on rolling hills until it was connected with Copperhill Blvd. Once a quiet neighborhood where children could play safely, Benz Road is now steeped in traffic as it is the shortest point between Copperhill Drive and Bouquet Canyon Road Drivers use Benz Road as they would a freeway off ramp, blazing through and using the neighborhood as a default short cut. Children cannot play on the street, the sidewalk, or even their front yards. All of us now have to keep our doors and windows shut to keep out the noise and fumes, Ignacio said, I no longer find inspiration in Santa Clarita. Santa Clarita is no place for the natural, the roadrunner and rabbit, or for me. Ignacio says her efforts to get stop signs and speed bumps to make the area safer have not been successful.
    
    Ignacio will read excerpts of her book on SCVTV Channel 20 at 10:30 p.m. on Thursday  and Oct. 23.

 

INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTS FOR SIGNAL ARTICLE
 
{PART 1}
 
1) how long have you lived in the Santa Clarita Valley and what 
brought you
here?
 
I came here in the mid-eighties to buy a house with land, because 
I could not suffer time apart from my dog and the vagaries of
 unsympathetic landlords. I have bought two homes here, one in 
Canyon Country, whose name I love, because it suggests the 
incorruptibility of mountains, and now in uneuphonic Saugus,
 which I prefer to refer to living up Bouquet Canyon.  
 
Immediately, I fell in love with Santa Claritas contours and crevices, 
the 
secrets of its hidden sea, we above the maelstrom of the LA basin, 
our history of the rugged west.
 
2) When did you begin to write fiction? 
 
Chronologically I began to write fiction very young, when I 
discovered the 
Law of Falling Bodies; stories came from me at first consciousness, 
my first memories are of ballet, bike riding and literacy. In Japan, 
we retreated to the base library when there was threat of typhoons 
or tidal wave. So the idea of books and sanctuary had become fused
 for me. 
 
At Blackstock Junior High in Oxnard, I took my epic crush on David
 Cassidy
 
 and turned it into a serial drama for the school newspaper; a biology 
 
paper had an animated cellular narrator to make the explanations more 
 
descriptive; I wrote a speech that made me student body president;
 it was a projection of my fanciful world, an egalitarian, virtuous, 
tensionless culture.     
 
What is it about fiction that attracts vs. other genres ?
 
My fiction splashes against the long coastline of facts. Beneath the sand, 
 
I pull up pink diamond verities and long ropes of virgin references, to 
twist 
into stories and empires of light. Cavalry charges, eugenics, solar 
storms, 
surfing in Israel, the eruption of Mount Pinatubo, migratory birds, 
political
 discourse, The Red Elvises are some of the depths plumbed levelly or 
metaphorically in my book, to create a melody of movement, an 
enchantment, a seduction.
 
My book THE PICTURE: A WORK OF THEORY AND FICTION is a story 
about 
the illusion of love, passion burnt on the flesh; an odyssey of desire. 
Within there is an undersong of photography, quantum physics, worship 
and war.  
 
I have had to go past the frontiers of art to get to the truth. And to do
 
 that, I prefer to work in a malleable medium that is in constant flux, like 
a glow against the sky, in literary inventiveness rimmed by deep forests, 
misty courtyards, mossy roofs, an atmospheric shape and pattern, 
beyond 
function, enriched by mixing different territories, a fractal to uncover the 
sublime in modern life and love.
 
 
 
 
3) Who is the protagonist in your novel and what are they trying to
achieve? What are their obstacles?
 
{Please summary from website.}
 
 
 
4) What is it about the SCV that made you want to use it as a backdrop for
your story.
 
 
 
This was my way of conferring importance to my life, because in writing 
I aspired to the condition of being memorable, so I took with me, the 
unforgettablemy Santa Clarita. This book is a map as it stands now, 
Lombardi Ranch, the paseos, Salt Creek, the reservoir up Bouquet; some 
of these places, I have filmed for my upcoming show on Cable Access 20, 
in which, I read segment from my book. But sadly, I had to memorialize
 that which would evaporate, be destroyed and made waste: the heart 
rendering land above Copperhill.
 
This book is about broken beauty, approach and avoidance, aspiration 
for a past that is now archeological. My character Ava imagines her true
 soul being out of her body, projected onto and camouflaged by the 
wilderness that adjoins the Angeles Forest. When the road comes
 through and the mountain is cut and suppressed by houses, Ava losses 
her soul and dies spiritually. 
 
My neighbors and I of Benz Road, who now live at the edge of the ruins 
of
 this once lovely and wild niche, are bewildered, angered, endangered,
 and for us, that dream state in which we once lived, has declined 
without 
remedy. But in my book, those dreams can be reclaimed, made 
pleasurable
 and rosy again.
 
I could not have written about Hawaiian calabash families, Filipino 
jeepnies, the LA art and club scene, onanism, knights in maneuvers, 
Slovenia, ravenous galaxies devouring others, if I hadnt had not been
 enclosed within the serenity of chaparral magnificence. As an artist, my 
senses were heightened; I could touch the transcendent. But with the 
noise and turmoil that is relentless around me, I find it hard to create
 and 
write, when all around me has become hard and demystified. I no 
longer
 find inspiration in Santa Clarita.  Santa Clarita is no place for the
 natural,
 the roadrunner and rabbit, or for me.
 
 
 
 
 
5) what is your life/job/career backround?
 
My first paying writing job, I wrote for the Press Courier, the city paper in 
 
Oxnard, a weekly column that elaborated the sophistication of my high 
school mind. I remember evoking Continental philosophers and the 
untroubled splendor of Titianic art while covering extra-curricular 
activities. 
  
At the University of Hawaii, as an undergrad, I received the work of 
grad 
students writing grants and speeches for the Environmental Studies 
Department, the Women Studies Department, and research for an
 Anthropology professor. I gathered reports for the universitys 
AFL-CIO 
union. I was 70s activism incarnate. I was even paid to be the yearbook 
editor. 
 
I wrote for the Signal years ago, first doing the fishing report, and then, 
columns on adventuring, this when experimenting with exotic sports 
was
 not considered theme worthy for television, before reality television 
was 
hatched. These were pieces of subdued light and ravishing color, very
 personal, and not very journalistic. 
 
Ive written and designed web pages, and ghostwritten business
 proposals for executives. I am mid-way through a ghostwritten memoir 
for resident location ranch owner Rene Veluzat, whose biographical 
information I use only as the inspiration for creating character and 
drama, my métier an explication of emotion and psychology.   
 
Through SCV magazine publisher, Lois Smith, I met Lois McGregor
 of the design firm McGregor Shott who read the prologue for 
THE PICTURE: A WORK OF THEORY AND FICTION, and thought I would be 
perfect to write and conceptualize a c.d. rom on manufacturing for
 College of the Canyons. This I did, envisioning a bmx bike as an 
amphibious accessory for learning and discovery.   
 
 
6) what does writing do you for you that another career cannot?
 
I write as a defense against time and death.  Books are stone, rock; 
my books are extracted from stone, perennial. Though made of paper, 
they endure not like the wood of trees that are expressed in periodic 
regeneration, but forever, because of the ideas expressed are from a 
learned tradition; orienting myself to subterranean sources that always 
there. 
 
I also have a magico-religious belief that what I write becomes. I have 
written about men that I wanted to meet: and I have.  I can reach 
across
 an ocean of time to reach those I have loved.  One such man found me,
 again, because I wrote. Google, the great re-uniter. He wanted my 
book,
 because he could not have me, and that book would do, a fruit of 
ecstasy
 to be held in his mouth, passed between us.
 
 
 
7) what audience, if any, are you writing for?
 
My audience is very mature, fascinated by material illumination with a 
hunger for the original, for combat and scientific method. This is a 
canvas 
of creamy flesh; cut mosaics of romance and liturgy, presentiment, the 
music of eros.  
 
Because parts of the book are posted on the web, I have gotten 
responses from strangers, most of them men, who are quite
 complimentary. They are attracted, I think, to my abstractism and 
purposeful sensuality. But I wrote this, thinking of my women friends, 
and the tumult I witnessed them suffering over love.  
 
Book signing: Barnes and Noble Valencia, Aug. 23, 2003 3pm.
 
{PART 2}

 

What is the Law of Falling Bodies?
 
I just meant that if you exert yourself, you stand the chance of falling.
 Or at least I do; I fall, trip and bump into things a lot; I have terrible 
eye hand coordination, too. My history begins with gentle mishaps. 
 Nothing about me is too precise. I move very fluidly, inwardly 
I am always dancing, but if you look close, there are bruises all over
 me, signs of imperfection everywhere, and I mean that also about the 
task I set about.
 
I suggest viewers of my cable access program incorporate a drinking 
game as they watch. They should take a swig (may I suggest sparkling 
water?) every time they see a bruise, a scratch, at tag coming out of 
my top, my rear falling out of my shorts, a sloppy edit point, or hear a 
slurred or misspoken word, or bad audio. They will be well hydrated if 
they follow this prescription.
 
 
Would it be accurate to describe your book as 2 love stories - one 
between
a woman
and a man and one between a woman and the environment?
 
Yes, my heroine loves her land and her lover all on one coach, like
 a bridegroom with his bride. And, Avas tears for both are sprinkled
 like 
blood on the rough fascia of fate.
The course of love in this book is a river across a chasm, broken by
 creeks and bulrush, the reeds slippery, a plunge into cold water, but
 love is always there, skimming the drift, clear of the sandbanks, and 
startling the birds to sing. 
 
Tell me more about Benz Road - I am not familiar with it.
 
Benz Rd., an offshoot of Bouquet Canyon Road, had been a dead end 
street since its inception in 1978. Behind it was a long dirt road, the
 future 
Copperhill Rd.: at parts, open to gently mounded hills, and a canyon with 
a level floor and steep cliffs, and then narrowing to a dirt road flanked 
by 
homes, from whose low walls the residents could watch others walking 
their dogs, and daily performances, like the kids attempting aerial stunts 
on their bike ramps, and the coyotes chasing down prey. Perpendicular 
Benz Road itself was quaint in its own way; ball playing in the street, 
every car identifiable; the steepest hill around that most bicyclists took 
to walking, an unwise strategy for trick or treaters, a curved and silent 
drive. At night, the junction of Benz Road and Copperhill seemed dark
 enough to beckon alien landings, a romantic spot that lovers sought. 
This is what I wrote of.
 
No one could predict the number of houses that were superimposed upon 
those back hills, or that the city would make a Faustian pact with the 
developer, which did not take in account, its horrid effect on the people
 already ensconced. The extended Copperhill Rd. is half the countys and
 half the citys responsibility. Its egress is not directly upon Bouquet 
Canyon Rd. Since this spring, it now rents an established neighborhood
 in two, carrying the load of heavy commuter traffic and huge trucks 
transporting dangerous cargo, and with it, noise, traffic, unlimited 
speed, drag races, and constant menace. This traffic spills onto Benz 
Road because it is the shortest distance between these two major
 arterial roads. Drivers use Benz as they would a freeway off ramp, 
blazing through, using our neighborhood as the default short cut. 
A police chase has ended with a busted mailbox, parked cars have
 been hit, and recently, the road itself suffered a broken water main 
from the burden of its constant usage. Over 2,000 cars travel over
 this small, precipitous street. As the city engineer has admitted, 
if this development came to him today, he would refuse it.
 
Because there are blind curves, coming in or out of the driveways is a
 dangerous game of chance. Children cannot play on the street, the 
sidewalk, or even their front yards. Many kids from other neighborhoods 
are forbidden to cross onto Benz. The people who live on Dan Court, 
which intersects Benz Road, cannot see around the bend for oncoming
 traffic, and because drivers are barreling down a steep incline, there is
 barely a chance to merge. All of us now have to keep our doors and 
windows shut to keep out the noise and fumes, but that does not buffer
 the din enough. This once content and stable neighborhood now has 
people selling or renting out their beloved homes. 
 
The majority of us want Benz Road blocked off from Copperhill, as it had 
existed for decades, redirecting traffic completely. We cant even obtain 
stop signs or speed bumps. I was the one that went door to door 
getting protest letters written, notifying the papers, taping interviews 
for SCTV 20, speaking before the city council, having the city engineers
 over to witness our plight. It is a bureaucratic waiting game. We are all
 holding our breaths. We all dread the inevitable tragedy.  
 
 
 
Do you feel that your book should be classified as erotica - 
why or why not?
 
I actually hate that category. I accept its venerated history, but its 
pernicious effect is to cordon and strangle womens contribution to the
 sexual dialectic.  It is like describing what the technological societies 
create as art; the rest of the world is only crafting. Would anyone label 
Lady Chatterleys Lover as erotica? No, because a man wrote it: it is
 simply literature. It is as if we can only be liberated, if that aspect of 
fiction becomes packaged. It is too easy, and it arouses hostility in
 certain readers. 
 

The catalogue my book is entered, also has Newt Gingrich as an

author contributor. He even purchased a full-page ad for his treatise.

But the editorial board did not chose his work as one of their fifteen of

merit and put him on the cover. Actually, two on the board nominated

my

book, and it is the only work of fiction of the selected. They have told me

that they have acclaimed me for the artistry of my words and the

depths

of my contemplation, and they consider it the apogee: literary fiction.

 

This cover of THE PICTURE: A WORK OF THEORY AND FICTION is of Kim

Mosley's exquisite sculpture Essence. It is of a womans naked torso.

I chose it because it smolders like a souvenir of passion, and though it is

marble, it is mobile; there is what is invisible and visible, hanging on a

lyrical edge. The feasts and hymns of adult intimacy it pronounces are

purposefully transparent.

 

When I passed around the flyers for my book signing at Barnes and

Noble this August, I had people read aloud this extract:

 

I conceived of the shot before I closed the shutter. He let me take his

picture, as he had let me discover his dimensional body. Slowly, he

opened his lips and thighs to me, and made himself vulnerable to my

instrument.

 

Oh, the gasps of surprise and delight that followed. I write

provocatively. 

I cannot help it: I am a very meaningful woman.

 

As it would happen, my book is still awaiting processing through the

Valencia and Canyon Country Libraries, so it can only be viewed on site.

This makes similar to a prohibited item, and I kind of like that.

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
You mention Japan and retreating the base library - tell me more 
about this
- How long did you live
there? how old were you?
 
I lived there from first grade to third grade. My father was in the Navy 
and we were stationed in Yokohama. Even that young, I comprehended 
that the Japanese were extraordinary people, so aesthetic (the candy, 
the toys!), courteous and generous. My mother would tell her memories of
 growing up during the Japanese invasion of the Philippines, diverting 
and
 too fantastic, almost like surreal accounts to us, and my grandmother 
would fret for us living amongst her former attackers.  Even as we 
barricaded ourselves against the student rioters, I only felt love and 
kinship for our host country. I learned the local legends by heart, played 
the games, visited the shrines, and celebrated all the holidays as a 
Japanese girl would. I loved the Japanese nurse who lived with us,
 and remember so fondly the trips she took us to see the tea fields and 
alpine resorts. Every day I worshiped Mt Fujis conical perfection; the 
scent of the cold briny sea. Some of my impulsive phrases are still first 
in
 Japanese. It was such a beautiful country and a beautiful way of life.
 
 
did you have siblings?
 
I have a younger sister, named Lisa, the wittiest person I know, 
who lives in San Francisco, decorating her house like a chatelaine from
Province. I have truly great parents, who stubbornly live in Oxnard, 
and
 have a persimmon orchard in Moorpark; they have accomplished much in 
their life, considering their indigent backgrounds, and are the pillars of 
the 
Filipino community.
 
 Have you lived for
extended periods of time
in other parts of the world?
 
I conduct myself as if I have lived extensively around the world, and 
I have traveled to places where an American, much less a women
 traveling alone, was very rare. I have been able to discern after a
 few words, for instance, that an Indian man I met here, was raised in 
Fiji, and had come right after the revolt in the mid 80s.  I frequently 
sigh, I wish I were back in Bulgarian right now My locality has 
nothing
 to do with my world citizenship. One of the most frequent comments 
about my book is how international history, customs, and religion have
 been poetically subsumed. 
 
My academic interest has been in Anthropology, so I inspect the world
 like a social scientist. Even going to nearby Goleta is an exercise in 
cultural research.
 
I am mistiza Filipina, meaning I am of mixed Spanish blood; and in my
 case, also American Irish. The M. in my middle name stands for Munoz; 
my grandmother maiden name is Hartlike in the local park.  All my life 
I have not been clearly identified with one group. People from Truk to 
Tangiers have thought I was one of their own. I am tall, have light olive
 skin and a keen nose. And as the Prince of Denpasar of Bali once
 explained: I had to meet you. Everyone has been talking about the
 woman with the face of an Indonesian, and the body of an Italian.  
 
Because of the wonderful society we live in, we are all curious about 
each others ancestry and birth origins. We are so lucky to live in a
 gathering place. I have risen and fallen on my own merits and demerits;
 prejudice and I are strangers. I can honestly say I am post-ethnic. I am 
American variation, and it is implications, that is, gleaned from abroad
 and thriving here. 
 
However, I wish I were living abroadif I could take my dogs with me. 
Ideally, I would be married to a handsome scholar, whose work took
 him 
to Cyprus and Mongolia, Borneo and Siberia, and I would set up 
housekeeping anew in these outposts every two years, writing on my 
colonial verandah or inside a felt yurt, books like phosphorescent plums 
and softening pears with red and gold patches.  
 
 
My next book reading will be at Tia Chuchas Café Cultural 12737 
Glenoaks Blvd. in Slylmar  (818) 362-7060 on Thursday, Oct. 2, 7 pm. 
I invite the audience to read their favorite portions aloud to the group. 
This event will be taped and shown on the Tujungas cable access 
station 
VHTV channel 19. 
 
I understand my proposal to share the reading is an unusual undertaking. 
It is because I so frequently have readers quote back to me; they
 consider my words euphonic and significant. Through other voices, I 
hear their overt and subtle interpretation, and so now another creation
 is 
made. 
 
For my program for SCTV channel 20 here in town, I read excerpts of my
 book amidst the oaks of Rene Veluzats motion picture ranch and the 
heights of Bouquet Reservoir.  I am the producer, director, first unit
 cameraperson, narrator, actress, editor and distributor. It really is a
 pretty piece, transportive.  The work of filming and editing is so 
different 
than the portraiture of writing. I could not observe what the camera 
saw
 as I stood before it. And in the editing room, the static fixity of the shots
 could not be altered, but they could be moved, and I did that often, the 
mutability of inserted tape creating its own aesthetic. In the end, the 
book and the show are two interrogative images; both very different 
conducts from each other, but my vital flow are in them both. 
 
When this reading video airs [the time undetermined until next 
Thursday] there is going to be a premier party, everyone is welcome,
 at Chiasos on Lyons Ave., where together we will all watch on the big 
screen, me delivering the passages of my book, as emphatically and 
earnestly as I can, bloopers and boners notwithstanding. 
 

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